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Finding motivation in seeing your progress? Download our latest update to start tracking your learning in Drops. I've been using this app for about a month now and I love it! I feel like I've already learned a ton of vocabulary, but there're still plenty of sections left to go through!
Plus, you can always go back to any sections you complete if you want more practice. I will say, the app hasn't explicitly explained any of the language's grammar to me, but I feel like I've been able to start picking some of it up through context clues. I don't get the impression that I'll be able to use this app to learn the language fluidly without any other aids, but it's still an amazing amount of free content that's a great as a building block, and great for daily practice!
I believe the website even said why wait seven or eight years to get fluent through traditional methods. Right now, I am level 53, an early business level. I see myself reaching fluency level 65 in a year or two from now. Each new level set brings on something new to enjoy.
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For level 20, it was manga. Now at level 50, I can follow any drama and enjoy it without feeling lost. My Japanese still has a long way to go. Read manga in Japanese! You know, not everyone reaches fluency. What happens then? If you tell someone that the time it takes to reach fluency is different for everyone, but you as the learner can definitely be reading manga in two to four years, I think that would encourage a lot of people.
I am skeptical of people who claim they became fluent in a language in less than a year. Or at least in Japanese. It might take less time with other languages, but I have no experience with that. Of course I definitely agree that there is no rush to fluency, and that most of the ride will be enjoyable.
Once you start, you realize the number becomes meaningless, but people often like a number before they start.
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I will leave it at that. What is proficiency? Is it the same thing as fluency? But even more, the Foreign Service Institute is basing their 88 weeks hours data on the following:. They study in small classes of usually no more than 6. Their schedule calls for 25 hours of class per week with hours per day of self-study. First off, I thought this was a good post and I think three years is enough to reach a point where you can read novels, write emails, watch movies, and have natural, wide-ranging conversations in Japanese.
But how many hours are packed into those three years? For my own part, I assume it will take hours of conscious effort toward learning vocabulary via sentences in Anki, and hours each focusing on the skills of listening, reading, writing, and speaking. At a few hours each day, I and anyone else can reach that point in roughly three years. By studying 25 hours per week in class, and as much outside of it, full-time students such as at the Foreign Service Institute can reach that point in a little under two years. And some insanely motivated person who studied 10 hours each day could theoretically reach that level in a year.
All of us would still have a lot to learn after that, of course. But we would have a solid foundation for doing so and, at least for those of us who enjoy reading novels more than doing Anki reviews, would have much more fun doing so, too. Any type of post like this is bound to result in largely differing opinions. As for hours, who knows.
Coming up with years was hard enough haha. But I like your assessment and it seems reasonable. I have a VideoMeter as well. This question completely depends on what your definition of fluency is! So I think that 3 years, even if two of those years are kind of half-arsed like they were for me is a decent time frame to get to some level of fluency. To get to a near native standard though, I think you probably need years and years of study, as there is always something new to learn.
Fluent for me would be reading manga and watching japanese tv shows and understanding everything. Ive been studying japanese for about 4 years and have been listening to japanese for pretty much 24 hours a day even while sleeping for the last 5 months. Feels like its taking forever to reach the level i want and i can still barely follow the plot of anything everyone talks so fast lol. Fluency for me has to be talked about in the context of a language skill. I can read easy manga comfortably, but trying to talk to the shopkeeper when I go to buy them feels impossible.
I think fluency will take care of itself once I get to that point :p.
I have been working in japanese industries since and teaching japanese for 10 years but due that my classes were basic level i my level decrease. I Read japanese and listen to japanese conversations daily and i listen to music, dramas or some shadowing audios, but something is clocking me, specially at talking.
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Sounds like you just need more opportunities to speak with native Japanese. Why not try to make some Japanese friends to talk with on Mixi, Facebook, or Meetup? I am 15 now and wanted to go visit over summer in years when I am 18 or 19 years old. I have learned a miniscule amount of basic stuff on my own through little games and apps. I finally am able to pay for lessons now that I have a job to pay for the lessons, and hiragana has come somewhat easy to me.
I am assuming you want to speak Japanese [Not to play anime, manga, or video games]. It should take you 1 year of preparation AND 1 year of practice [It takes skill to be a good speaker even in your own native language]. Three things in my opinion :- 1. Keep moving forward. I did not find it very productive for the reasons Manan has outlined. Coming from zero you need to get a grasp of grammar and a good working vocabulary before you can do anything.
I have had far more success with the Jalup methods and for the first few months Japanesepod so far.
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If you wanted to go to Japan in six months, then maybe learning to parrot a few standard phrases would be useful. If you have a three to four year time budget, I think the Jalup method is going to give you better results. I spent a couple of years learning Russian with private teachers and got to the level of being able to have simple conversations. So I have given the teaching route a fair trial in another context. If I had to do it again I would use a Jalup style method. The money and time I spent do not justify the level I reached. I do think there is merit in trying out a teacher at a later stage when you have basic grammar and a decent vocabulary.
They can help you with the details, fix little mistakes, and correct pronunciation. I suspect the teacher will come out second.
I think 3 or 4 years is a reasonable time frame so is a year and a half if you have the determination , it all depends on how many hours per day you study that means study every single day no exceptions okay some exceptions but not very many. Your biggest obstacles are going to be burn out, and losing interest. I would probably skip the lessons for now. I used to be a teacher and I learned what a racket it really is, most people can learn faster than any teacher can teach.